LOL, I appologize I replied to the post when I wasnt i the best of moods, I try to leave work at work but that didnt happen today. I just brought this up over on the VATC forum yesterday. I've been looking for this answer for some time now, and finally got the reply, and a positive one at that. Sorry about the common sense remark, I work with too many people that dont have it and is what sparked my outburst. The snowmobilers have really drawn a fine line for who gets to go on there trails and they do alot of work to upkeep the trails and would never do something to ruin their trails or the name of the ATV community